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On E-popularity 
4th-Sep-2008 04:04 am
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Behold - I'm fooling around with various ideas on internet popularity, when it comes to DA. No, not how to gain it, but what it seems to mean about the people who watch someone. Not so much about the person who's being watched.

For various commissions I've put out, by favorites on DA amongst three ladies of great skill:


TitleFav-CountArtistPosition in their galleryFA Count
Dancing in the Dark292Kacey25 226 (-66)
Dance of Five Tails285Kacey28 287 (+2)
Krinele - Marianne260Oni34 102 (-158)
Trimming the Tree173Kacey59 212 (+39)
Krinele Cheesecake167Oni48 63 (-104)
Molly Reference156Kacey71 126 (-30)
Your Casual Pantyshot108Oni72 N/A
Kivie Reference107Kacey104 131 (+24)
Lovely Rita52Jennifer 
Molly Dancing49Jennifer 
Krinele Reading46Jennifer 


Jennifer's work I don't have access to the list of pieces by favorite count, so... yeah. Thus no third column for her pieces. I use these pieces because they a) are the top three artists' pieces b) also are the top eleven of my commissions for fav count. It also brings up some interesting points, especially while I was looking over the gallery info for both Oni and Kacey.

For instance, Oni has a piece that, I'm sure, boggles her mind as to why it's quite so popular. From her comments, I'm seriously doubting that she ever expected to see 10,084 (as of this writing) Favorites&Collections on it. She isn't even watched by that many people. Most of her most popular work is fanart - not exactly unexpected as most of her exposure is at anime cons. Over on FA, she doesn't have quite as many watchers, which ties into the differing subject matter and that she's only been there since 2006 rather than 2002.

On the other hand, Kacey thrives primarily on commissions... but the work she does to push herself often rates quite highly. Of interesting note, at least to me, is that Dance of Five Tails and Dancing in the Dark are so similar in count, but the people favoriting them don't overlap all that much, nor do the commenters. Of course, the content is wildly different too... I think this has something to do with why her favs/piece is so much more moderated, even without taking into effect that outlier that Oni's got. She carries a more diverse interest group, showing a rather wide range of interests in the furry fandom. Most of whom are quite capable of appreciating expensive artwork.

Also interestingly, Trimming the Tree got the most comments (77) from any of these pieces. That, at least, I can work out some of the reasoning behind - it elicited so many warm emotions from people.

Thirdly, in somewhat distant place, we have Jennifer. Who I doubt minds not having hundreds of favs... gunning for, aiming at, or even accepting the lime-light isn't her style. Like with Kacey's pieces, the happy dancing picture does well - this seems to be a universal "yay" subject. Lovely Rita is pretty recent, likely benifiting from people also liking the Charolette and Tiffany works, as well as being her featured piece. As for Krinele Reading - well, the description says plenty. Jenn's watch-base is a niche group who can appreciate a good space bear smashing things for the emotional merit. Plus your rabid art-loving fans who may fall over themselves when she does offer the occassional badge or pinup for a convention's art show.

Basically, e-popularity is an interesting thing, and all analysis of it should be treated with as much seriousness as e-popularity itself. None. I've been bored these past hours that I've been meaning to actually go to bed during, and... yeah. It shows.
Comments 
4th-Sep-2008 02:14 pm (UTC)
I see you're going for the personal side, with this. Then again, like you said. Why be serious?

Re: general popularity on dA, I think we all know what's popular on there. On the lower end are good emotions, especially dancing or action shots, but at the higher end are a) a certain female figure type, b) showing off, c) bare, d) in a photograph. You get more view/fav/comments the further you go up that chain. It's made some folks feel quite spiteful.

Fanart adds another dimension, adding an immense number of fans depending on how popular the original work is. And of course, artistic ability and blind luck have a lot to do with it as well (I know of a few artists on there with wonderful styles, but very few views. Fewer than Jennifer by far... sadly, many have left, and I've lost the links.)

And finally, "Fields of Naruto" wins for a different reason. Fishcake fishcake soup!
6th-Sep-2008 07:14 am (UTC)
I didn't list some of those that I thought should have more favs/views. Look up the pics Denise did. It's totally unfair.
4th-Sep-2008 06:33 pm (UTC)
Naw, I'm just not nearly as popular on DA as Kacey and Oni AT ALL. XD People don't even favorite my GD stuff all that much.
6th-Sep-2008 06:57 am (UTC)
Yeah, and that's totally not your style anyhow. Like we said elsewhere, you'd probably stomp all over the people begging for free art and tutorials.
6th-Sep-2008 07:00 am (UTC)
Honestly, it is a bit disheartening that people don't pay all that much attention to my art. I'm just not as great with illustrations as other people. I can tell a story, I can draw sequential... but there are far better illustrations out there than me, like Kacey and Oni.
6th-Sep-2008 07:06 am (UTC)
Well, your GD work is great. But you know that as much as I do. I think the word will spread on that, particularly when people start realizing that you're a published comic artist.

And I rue the coming day that I'm going to have to insure some of your works for metric butt-tons of cash.
4th-Sep-2008 07:09 pm (UTC)
e-popularity is weird...

On DA especially - its hard to get well known. To get more favs and watches, your stuff needs to end up in the 'most popular deviations in the last 24 hours' section.... which is already dominated by the uber-popular with millions of pageviews. So its an interesting cycle - in order to become popular, you first have to be popular @.@...

I've discovered some absolutely fabulous artists who were largely unknown - and they weren't new to DA either - just unlucky.

For me - favs are something that I use to gauge the popularity of a single image or theme - but I do so with a grain of salt - and also by taking into account the favs on other sites like FA. (Artspots not so much because of how little traffic it gets) Things that get an unusually high amount of favs are more likely to have more prints pre-made for cons - or more pieces drawn in the same vein/theme later on. But when push comes to shove - when doing art, I still do what I want to do.

Also - I hadn't seen that cute Naruto fanart by Oni. I don't watch Naruto - but I love Oni's art style.. and I can see why her fanart is exceptionally popular.

And Jennifer's art should totally be more popular.
6th-Sep-2008 07:20 am (UTC)
I agree it's exactly like you're saying, the cycle of popularity. You hold up well because you practically dragged a fan group with you - or at least have a tremendous number glancing towards DA from other galleries and stalking watching you. And I agree with the favs... it's really best at figuring out what's what for popularity if DA is your target audience.

I agree on the last part, and I'm sure it will prove to be amazingly popular in a little bit when people start associating her with these awesome comics she's drawing.
4th-Sep-2008 09:47 pm (UTC)
I seem to recall we talked about this before, but I think a lot of good artists go unnoticed on DA in part just because it is so huge and has so many people. I've found a lot of relative unknowns there who are really talented.

Anything really popular there snowballs. I get as many favorites and comments on that darned Yao Chi pic than everything else in my gallery. People LOVE Yao Chi!!
6th-Sep-2008 07:25 am (UTC)
He's so bright, yeah. It's just the colors, and... they hypnotize people. What you say has truth - people see it in others favs, then click and fav themselves, and... might not bother with the rest of your gallery.
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